Ok, folks, it's come to my attention that this site has captured the attention of those "in town." Here's our chance to all be heard. They're tuned in. Put your best attitude on and let your voice be heard.
The beauty of small town living...
- ROSE
- Bomont, West Virginia, United States
- When you have no idea what you're doing, somebody else will ... or at least make something up & run with it.
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Try this one on: Remember when the jail was built in Gilmer County? (One of the main engineers who worked so hard on that was a good friend of mine. He was a very good man.)
What would Clay County think of a jail being built here? Gilmer got hundreds of jobs, hotels were built, restaraunts went up, the economy boomed.
Something like that would require a massive, reliable water/wastewater source. The plants would have to be upgraded and the builders would have to pay for at least a portion of it, if not all.
Yeah, I cruised around the WV Regional Jail Authority site today. Talk about bad hair days! LOL Anyway, all those communities benefit greatly by hosting those facilities. Could we?
Will be back after attitude adjustment. You would probably have to delete anything I would say in my present frame of mind regarding our esteemed Town leaders. Oh, boy!!!
LOL If you type really fast, b...rulz, I'll relax the language/IQ barriers & let you vent. The kids have overnighters (YIKES!), so I can delete before they can lurk.
It's been tried before people were ready to kill anyone who was for a idea like that.
Does the town have any kind of ordinance in place that would force people to remove junked cars/trucks, trash, chicken coups, tattered what-not's from their yards, driveways etc? If so, who is supposed to enforce it? And why aren't they enforcing it?
If there isn't anything in place, why not? The "town" of Clay could be seen in a different light if it were CLEAN.
It has improved some. However, it would be nice to see a whole lot of paint scrapped off & a new coat put on. Businesses should be required to maintain their "business signs" and at the very least bring them up to date. Broken windows replaced rather than bandaided. That little gathering of trailers next to the ambulance place, it's begging to be overhauled! Couldn't someone set some codes to make certain things unacceptable? Appearance DOES count for a whole lot. Who would want to bring any potential 'business' to our little county if it looks like we shouldn't be on the map anyway? Just some ideas to think about.
Build a jail on Punkin Ridge. Then they could all have water & wouldn't have to waste gas when they want to visit their relatives.
Weren't you advised to have a good attitude? Tsk, tsk-that wasn't very nice anon. If were going to go that route with this discussion. I say we get rid of all the trailers down at Maysel build there. It's big enough, already has water and it's still not a long drive from anywhere in Clay.
Hmm. I'm not ready to give my life for Clay County, so maybe I won't mention this outside of this forum. LOL
What were the complaints last time this was suggested? Other than the obvious risk of escapees, of course.
thinking thinking thinking ... the end closest to the high school??
Rose thank you for bringing this to our attention. I feel that the building of a type of retention center in Clay County is wonderful. Our location is excellent for several counties and easy access to Interstate 79, 77, and 64. Why not go for it? It could mean jobs for our youth. Bring men and women that work away all week home to their families. It could increase the financial status of our county meaning better homes, more pride in our communities, more water and sewer projects. This would increase the population helping keep all of our schools open and helping our tax base. I have never heard of a inmate breaking out of Mt Olive doing any harm. Talk to our commissioners, senators, representatives and encourage them to work for the future of Clay County.
Mt Olive security guard making $15.50 per hour.
Jails need cooks, janitors, medical personnel, guards, maintenance workers, trash removal people, plumbers, electricians, mechanics, etc.
The jobs they don't provide onsite, they contract out to locals.
Sounds like a great idea to me.
OMG. Where to start? The "big green monster" building across from Telford's. The junk store in the old Starcher Furniture building. Who owns these eyesores? The "green monster" needs to be torn down. It's awful. The junk store folks should at least keep the stuff inside instead of stringing it all over the sidewalk in front of the building. Our one and only motel. It's not very attractive inside or out. I have never been in any of the rooms, just inside to drop things off at Free Press Office or go to Fabric Shop. It's not very appealing to say the least. Sidewalks that are in bad condition. And a leadership that can do nothing but waste what few resources they have and then turn around and put it to us with a water rate increase. Getting pissed just thinking about all this. At wit's end.
Rose, you sure know how to pick them posts. Whew!!!
Wow. Didn't take long for this one to take off, huh? Perhaps I should reign in my wayward thoughts? LOL
Sidebar: I didn't want to put it here, because I don't want us to get off topic, but over on the butt scratchin' post, I posted a link based on a rumor I heard today. Lord have mercy. I haven't been this furious since ... since ... I can't even talk about it.
The reason Clayberry can't get anywhere is the same reason we have over 60 churches in the county. We can't get along with anybody!
those trailers and the trailer park are owned by Frank Murphy. They ain't going anywhere
Rose I found your site. Very interesting and many of these post could have come from my mouth. I will stay in touch and thank you for talking today.
murphy? good ol' boy material huh???
Those trailers are a NASTY eyesore!
Checked out that link. grrrr
Hey, Anon! It's rare that I give good directions, but sometimes, I mess up & get it right. LOL Visit often - it gets good!
What double post, hippy? Does anybody else see a double post? Echo ... echo ... echo ...
Double vision ... check it & see ... BAHAHAHAHA
In a previous life, I lived in a "community" that was run by a Homeowner's Association.
Houses had to be a certain approved color, no pickup trucks in the parking lots, etc. Pain in the butt for us rednecks, but it did make for a very nice neighborhood.
Property owners - at a minimum within city limits - should absolutely be required to clean up their properties. Doesn't matter if they're renting to slobs, the property is still their responsibility. Don't we have a litter law?
If we had a jail here, we could use the inmates to clean up the trash alongside the highways. Chaingangs are grossly under-utilized. >;)
I know we all hate the copy/paste thing, but this thought came to me on George's site & if hippy's gonna echo, I am, too ... LOL
If we had a jail, police would put fewer miles on their vehicles, spend less on gas & waste less time going back & forth.
& AW could take all the mug shots!
Oh, I deleted it a long time ago. I was just messin' with your flashbacks. LOL
It infuriates me that prisoners have a better life than 1/2 my fellow Clay County citizens. Especially when it's so hard to get into jail when you're from here.
I think we should have a jail & I think we should run it like that guy in ... Arizona?
Time to call it a night, Rose. All this heavy thinking has given me a headache. Have good night. Of course, will be here first thing in the morning to see what I've missed. lol. Used to read the newspaper while having coffee, now I am here before both eyes open. Lot more fun. Later.
Oh, hey smiley. Was just wondering if you were still around.
'night, b...rulz! Newspapers just talk about the bad stuff ... we actually get some feedback here. LOL
hey rose; most of these ideas about the jail were suggested , and could have been accomplished with the Ivydale school bldg plus utilizing the local dump location where the county owns 34 1/2 acres. no dice. linkenauger had to have his money. the deal had already been cut. being a goat he just said back off you fellow goats i got a little something going here. OF COURSE ALL THIS IS JUST THE OPINION OF A LOCAL TROUBLEMAKER. THAT IS "ME". also some of our influential neighbors said not in my neighborhood. "no way". the lone stranger
hey, lonestranger! Where ya been?
What's going to happen to the Valley Fork school? H.E. White probably isn't long for this world, either. There are a million (give or take) places we could do something like this.
Link's a lame duck now in the school system. Just because he wants to be a county commissioner, that doesn't necessarily mean he will be.
Also, The WV Economic Development Authority has $$ for these kinds of projects.
Which I guess brings me full circle & proves your point - these conversations always end up being about $$. LOL
lone stranger don't you think using the Ivydale school as a jail site would have caused rioting in the little neighborhood it sits in?? That school is awful close to residential housing. Are there any sort of regulations regarding locations of jails?
well sirhenry60 what the hell you doing breaking the speed limit
sirhenry, would you mind telling us why you are so critical of the Ambulance Service? Sure, the service has problems, however, I do know that some of the folks who work there are very good at their job and are caring and courteous because of personal experiences with them during my dad's illness. They saved his life more than once.
I've only had one personal experience with the ambulance service myself & frankly, I don't remember not one minute of it. Guess they did alright - I'm still here. teeheehee
I, too, though have seen them flying back up the highway. I've also seen about 5 other ambulance services doing the same thing. Maybe they're just in a hurry to get back to work ...
I am a volunteer fireman and I know for a fact that the ambulance service can not always have two or three trucks staffed. They may be days there are no calls and then there may be several calls. I am sure they hurry up the interstate but we cannot be sure they are not the only truck in the county or they are not hurrying because the other truck is going on a call. As for waiting on a call there are als runs and bls runs. They often try to send the bls (basic life support) trucks on the lesser medical emergency because if the Als (Acute Life Support) is on a lesser medical emergency #1 they do not get paid for the Paramedic being on that truck and #2 if a car wreck or a serious call comes in they have to get a ALS truck from another county and Clay has to pay them anywhere from $100 to $250 to respond.
For all the people that are tired of the junk cars on the side of the road please read the wv state code a residence can only have 3 unlicensed vehicles on there property. I believe if our solid waste authority would do there job this would stop. Maybe we should talk to the assessor and if she would tax them for all these vehicles they would get rid of them.
To anon GUARD for one if you do work at MOUNT OLIVE you would not be calling yourself a GAURD. Secondly no inmate has ever broke out of MOUNT OLIVE. $15.50 an hour? How about $9.68 to start out. $20,124 a year with no overtime. I for one do not belive you work there. Your terminology is incorrect for one. GUARD was the old days. Now we are CORRECTIONS OFFICERS. GUARDS would beat the inmates, CO's help to rehabilitate. And you could at least get your figures right they are public knowledge.
A real CORRECTIONS OFFICER.
Rose....
Sigh...you do not want to look at jails or prisons as a source for economic development. That is very sad thought indeed. Jails and prison are harmful to society and humanity. In 1999, approximately 1.5 million children had one or more parents locked up. When you look at locking up individuals you are looking at a huge amount of tax payer money that goes to warehousing individuals. It does not create a better environment, it is not a deterrent for future criminal activity and it is harmful to the children and communities.
If you want to look at a source for economic development look into a rehabilitative model, look into mental health courts, drug courts, alternative sentencing and provide social support to the individuals who have committed crimes and their families in Clay county so that they can work as productive tax paying citizens and give something back to the community, not seek to incarcerated your neighbors and friends so you can make a quick buck. Rose....you should be ashamed...
This is to the Corrections Officer.
As to the appropriate name of your position it is all semanitics. The fact of the matter is that "inmates" is a nice term the government came up with, the individuals incarcerated are actually prisoners. And prisoners are kept in prison by "guards"...it really doesn't matter what pretty name the system gives the position.
Rehabilitative is the image that "guards" and the system want to portray, not the reality of the situation. Oh sure, there are some individuals who work in prisons who do care about the people in there, and there are a site more who do not give a crap about anyone in there and see them as the scum of the earth.
There are plenty of beatings, killings, rapes and other inhumane treatment in prisons all over the United States.
If guards were really interested in rehabilitation they would seek to provide alternatives to sentencing in the first place, or education, treatment and mental support and positive role modeling to those individuals who do need to be locked up but eventually will be released. However, most guards are more interested controlling those in their custody and taking home a paycheck every week than the wellbeing and future success of the individuals that are incarcerated and will eventually be released.
In my experience, most prisoners know they their actions were wrong and understand that they have to pay the price for those actions. However, inhumane treatment should not be part of that punishment.
Anon, here are some things I should truly be ashamed of: 1989 (possibly 1990), wondering how horribly fat people have sex, staring at big, hairy moles & extreme wedgies and ... parts of 1991.
A jail as "economic development" isn't on that list. You're absolutely right that a better boost would be mental health facilities, etc. But you know what? Something like that would go bust in a matter of hours.
I once filed a "mental health ... whatever" on a very, very dear friend of mine who was spiraling out of control. He admitted freely that he needed help, but was far too redneck macho to actually seek it. The police said they attempted to serve the warrant & pick him up, but "couldn't find him." So I tracked him down, called the police, told them where he was. Still, they couldn't find him. He was smack dab in the open right on Rt. 4. Any idiot with 1/2 an eyeball could've found him with that eye shut. They never did "find him." Less than a month later, he was dead.
The cold, hard, sad fact of the matter is that jails are a necessity. If Clay doesn't get one, somebody else will. Story of our county - always missing the boat & losing out to someone else. As backdoor as this county appears to be, it's beyond hypocritical to get all butt-puckered & holier-than-thou by saying we don't want to expose our kids to a jail in our community. We expose them to every vile crime there is - why not show them the consequences to those crimes?
sirhenry, there's a state trooper who flies past me every single morning on I-79. No lights flashing, no siren blaring, just flying down the road, presumably on his way to work, just like I am. My cruise control is generally set around 70-75. He passes me like I'm parked. Who's going to stop him? Doesn't do any good to call his boss, I can tell you that.
Mind you, I have the utmost respect for state troopers (my brother is one, ya know!). I don't in any way begrudge them a little speeding now & then if it makes them happy.
However, it is a little discouraging to see public service people - people who are there for our protection - have such blatant disregard for the law. Especially when their disregard gets innocent people hurt or killed.
Reference is made to the anonymous writer who believes that jails and prisons do not generate economic benefits to the local community. Some of the statements simply are not factual. There is no question but what prisons generate ENORMOUS economic growth and this outcome has been proven to be true throughout the country. That is why every town and county that has competent leaders are pursuing the building of prisons in their localities. If one doubts the economic empact of prisons, consult with the political and civic leaders in Gilmer,Raleigh, Monongalia, Preston, and other West Virginia counties who have correctional facilities in their areas. McDowell County has a new federal prison currently under construction. The best possible action that could be undertaken by the Clay County Commission would be to aggressively pursue a new prison or jail within its boundries.
I believe that someone was referring to me when they stated that I do not believe that jails and prisons generate revenue for the local communities. That is incorrect. The prison industry is one of the larger and more profitable industries we have in the US. Rural communities clamor for prisons in their towns to provide all the benefits that Rose initially stated in her initial message. This very topic is referred to as the Prison Industrial Complex and you can find many books and articles written on this topic. Here is a link: http://www.prisonactivist.org/crisis/evans-goldberg.html. What we have to consider are the collateral consequences of a prison boom and mass incarceration. Consider that in order to keep the beds full to make the money needed to support the community we must lower the bar of those we will incarcerate. By lowering the bar crimes that used to be dealt with through treatment, probation or community service are no longer an option. People are now incarcerated in order to keep those beds full. The United States leads the entire world when in comes to locking up people. More than 5.6 million Americans are in prison or have served time there. That is one in 37 adults living the in the US. If you look at the criminal justice history you will see that in the 70’s we had approximately the same amount of crime per capita that we have now. However, if you look at incarceration rates you will see a huge upward trend. Crime rates have remained steady, or even decreased but incarceration rates have risen substantially. That is what prison development does. At what point do we quit lowering the bar of crimes committed that are punished by incarceration and look to sensible , socially responsible ways to create economic development? At the current US incarceration rate by 2050 1 in 2 individuals will be locked up? Then who will be supporting your prisons and local jails?
You said,
"Gilmer got hundreds of jobs, hotels were built, restaraunts went up, the economy boomed."
In actuality, the Gilmer County PSD is about to go under from the water line problems to the new prison, and very few locals got the jobs inside the prison. The majority of workers in the Gilmer prison commute from outside the county.
In addition, at least three of the restaurants that opened when the prison came in have closed, or gone under new ownership repeatedly - and the hotel maids are getting their hours cut regularly, because the hotel is not doing well.
The economy is Gilmer county has not "boomed" as a result. The jobs for locals that were promised did not happen. Families flocking into the area did not happen. Visitors to inmates staying at the hotel did not happen.
I must have missed the message that contained the quotation, "Gilmer got hundreds of jobs ...."
Sorry, but I don't see any data to back up the opinion that the economy in the area did not grow.
The post with the quote on Gilmer County would be the very first post Rose posted to start this thread:
"What would Clay County think of a jail being built here? Gilmer got hundreds of jobs, hotels were built, restaraunts went up, the economy boomed. "
It's the same post where she also mentioned:
"Something like that would require a massive, reliable water/wastewater source. The plants would have to be upgraded and the builders would have to pay for at least a portion of it, if not all."
Interesting that Gilmer County suffers from the lack of that very thing.
And where are that stats that show that Gilmer County IS "booming"?
A very interesting dialogue I'm observing here.
CB
Where are you getting your info, CB? You been to Gilmer Co lately?
CBM
What are you even talking about BM? I don't have any information, I was just reading what everyone else was talking about. I was the one ASKING for information. What are you, high?
As a matter of fact I don't know that I have ever been to Gilmer County. Have you? How many restraunts are open there??
Geeze!
CB
Oops sorry, I meant CBM....
CB :D
BM? Bite Me. No, I'm not high, but I am a hahn-yock, Halty. Guess I misread your post. Looked to me like you were callin Rose a lier.
Gilmer County has a lot of commerce, but they had that before. They gotta college, too, ya know. Prob'ly have a quantity discount at the jail.
CBM
Hey I'd never call Rose a liar. We share flashbacks probably older than you are! Besides, she's got the got butt walk picture I say only nice things about her and mean it!
CB
LOL Ah, the butt walk picture. I must say, though, you have the original Gettysburg one, so I won't be making any threats anytime soon.
But you know....in the Gettysburg picture we were such babes!! Big hair, lavender eyeshadow and all!!!! HAHAHHAHAHA!!!
CB
One of us still has that big hair & lavendar eyeshadow. But the braces are gone! So is that loser fella ... BAHAHAHAHAHA
Hippy, I'm going to ask some questions. I'm not trying to dispute your facts I truly don't know the answers to them, as I'm not really very familiar with the jail system in this respect. If we can't pay the $50,000 for our inmates in an another county, will we be able to pay for them in our own county. I know that the transportation fee would be less or gone, but what else? Would the town of Clay be able to pay itself for its inmates?
You say many jobs "could" be done by Clay Co. residents. 'Could' being the operative word there. "Would" those jobs be given to Clay residents? That's what one poster said was wrong with the jail in Gilmer County; the locals were promised jobs and they weren't the ones who got them.
Doesn't Kanawha County have a jail? Somewhere over by the Walmart on Corridor G?
How many inmates do the jails typically have? Is it like 50 or 300?
I still like the idea of having hospital here.
Breathe, hippy, breathe!
Hmm. A hospital? At a minimum, an urgent care facility would be wonderful. Something for stuff that's too minor for an ambulance (for those of us who have to pay our own bill) & too major for just a band-aid & a kiss. We've made many trips to both W&C and Braxton Mem. for stitches, x-rays, etc. That's a loooooooong trip for just something like that. Plus, it's not exactly a good thing to sit in a waiting room full of a bunch of cussing, screaming drunks with a 6-year-old who just needs a few stitches.
Would we have a private jail? Would we hire from the civil service register? Seems to me we'd have to have a few out-of-towners, but certainly not all. It'd be an excellent welfare-to-work program.
least if ya got them welfare foks working at the jail they can see there kin more often.
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